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Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross

Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross: “That's the magic of it”

December 18, 2024

Mr. Reznor and Mr. Ross, as composers, how do you know when a film a score is working?

Trent Reznor: Having done this for a little while, the best moment in a film score or even with a Nine Inch Nails album, is when you have learned to trust yourself that this is it. You have to trust that this is it, because you can always go further — and often you go further and you fuck it up because you've gone past what was good. You also have to deal with your own inherent laziness and desire for it just to be done, you have to make sure you're not jumping the gun and fooling yourself into that. But as we've learned to recognize… I think you know it’s working when you feel goosebumps. We're in the studio just the two of us, and it’s like, “Okay, this is really fucking good,” and we can't wait for the world to hear it.

Atticus Ross: It’s the bit that you sort of can't put into words. I think essentially, that is what film scoring is, you know, that's the magic of it. It continues to be amazing to see how much music can affect the atmosphere in a room when you're watching a film, what you can do to people and how you can manipulate how they feel. That's the journey of film scoring. And I think our process has always been to focus on: what is the real heart of this story, and what is it trying to say? And if we can understand that and kind of create a musical language to tell that story, we can land the film.

You had one of those goosebumps moments when watching Empire of Light for the first time with an audience. You even teared up watching a particular scene.

AR: We'd worked so fucking hard at that scene — and it’s just a scene where the character is watching a film, all it is the music and the camera on her face. We’d done 15 different versions of it.

TR: Sam Mendes, the director, is a super smart guy and he’s meticulous. You're never not going to get feedback from anything you turn over. And that’s all you can count on: there's going to be some notes, they're thoughtful, but plentiful. And on that film, we’d been putting off that scene because we really wanted to understand the movie that was around it. But we were at the breaking point because there was a constant “You can do better” from Sam. And that did lead to a better result, you know? He was right.

AR: And so in the first screening with an audience, it really landed in the way that we had hoped it would land. It's such a big moment for this character, and like Trent said, those are the times where I think we got it right.

TR: It was very much a moment of: “This is really cool, I’m so glad I’m a part of it.” That's what makes it worth it, those fleeting moments.

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Dominique Crenn: “Food is a movement”

December 11, 2024

Ms. Crenn, would you consider yourself a storyteller through your work as a chef?

Certainly, I’m a storyteller. All the menus that I write for Atelier Crenn and my other restaurants are telling a story in some way. The last menu that I created even included a poem that I wrote about the anniversary of my mom passing away. It was about the ocean and the water cycle… All the dishes were very much connected to the earth and the sea. It was very emotional. Another menu I created was dedicated to a girl called Hannah. I work a lot with kids with cancer, and I connected with this 11 year old girl, I spent a lot of time with her, we wrote poetry together… And one day, she died. And all that year, all my menus were about Hannah. That’s storytelling. That’s emotional. And I think when you come to that place, people connect with that.

That sounds incredibly personal — almost like you are bearing your soul on a plate. Is it difficult to make yourself so vulnerable?

It’s true that we are exposed. But to be an artist, to show your art to the world, you have to be vulnerable. I just want to make sure that every step that I do has a purpose and is meaningful, and with that as the goal, you really are naked on the table. I think it's one of the best skills we have as humans, but often people are afraid of that. I tell this to my daughters: vulnerability is your super power, your inner power. Whatever you want to do, just go out there and do your magic, be who you are on the plate. Do not hide yourself.

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